INTERVIEW WITH HANA AND MILLER

Leah - "Now we are going to meet Hana Whitfield, who worked closely with Hubbard for many years.  She was one of the first Sea Org  members.  She was in Scientology for 20 years, former Captain of the Apollo (main ship).  She was actually the 2nd member of the Sea Org.

Leah - "Hana, how did you come to be a Scientologist?"
Hana - "It was a long route.  I came from an abusive family.  So, I was searching - - I was searching for answers.  I had become a registered nurse in Johannesburg and graduated.  I met a medical student who said, "you might be interested in this book."  He handed me the book of "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health".  I walked into a Scientology building and hanging on the wall was a picture of L. Ron Hubbard and that convinced me that Hubbard was the returned,  Messiah." 

Leah - "So you went full on into Scientology? - -  "Absolutely.  I read the book through, and even though I thought some parts were totally ridiculous, there was so much else in the book that captivated me."

Leah and Mike also interviewed journalist, Russell Miller, who wrote a biography of Hubbard entitled "Bare-faced Messiah".  Miller read the same book as Hana and researched Hubbard's life beyond what any-body else had ever done.

Leah - "Russell, you read the book.  What did you think?  Did you have a similar fascination?"

Miller - "No, no, I am afraid I didn't.  I was completely dumbfounded that any body could take it seriously.  I mean, I thought the whole thing was a joke, to be honest.  I mean, forgive me Hana for saying this, but you're approach was from a very different perspective, than I. I was working on the biography of Hubbard.  When I was doing my  research for the book, I became aware very quickly, actually, not to believe everything Hubbard told me.  I had to fact check everything.  I couldn't take a single thing at face value.  He was incapable of telling the truth about himself.  Everything that he told me, was a lie.  - -  Hubbard was constantly embellishing his life.  He said he was a top Sergeant in the Marines.  He said he was a doctor.  He said he was a nuclear physicist.  None of it was true." 

Leah - "So, what was he?"
Miller - "Hubbard was an ordinary kid, nice young man.  The family he grew up in lived in a modest little house (two story) in Helena.  He claimed he was born on his grandfather's ranch, which covered a quarter of the state of Montana.  He wasn't.  It didn't.  He was a Navy brat, and so he followed his family around as his father was posted from one place to another.  And his father was eventually sent to Guam.  He told me he had toured the Orient as a young man, learning the secrets of life from wise men and gurus.  He didn't.  He was on a ten-day tour of China with wives and families from Guam, where his father was stationed."

Miller -  "From high school - - he graduated, then went to George Washington University.  He said he graduated as a nuclear physicist.  He didn't.  He was a really poor student.  I read his grades (they were posted on the video)  from the George Washington University Academic Records.  His grades were Ds and Fs.  He never graduated from the George Washington University.  - - Hubbard really drifted after dropping out of the University.  He was unsure of what to do with his life, and I think he found himself when he started writing science fiction.  That was a moment when science fiction was becoming extremely popular.  He had a great imagination.  He had lots of ideas and great flair.  You know, these interplanetary, galactic wars and the pre-"Star Wars" stuff, really.  Then came the war.  He enlisted in to the United States Navy, and this is where Hubbard's story and the real story of L. Ron Hubbard's activities diverges in an extraordinary way.  There is no similarity between the two.  Hubbard said the true story  was, he was constantly in combat.  He was wounded many times, he was up to all kinds of adventures behind the lines.  L. Ron Hubbard claimed he was awarded 29 Combat Medals.  In actuality, he never received one honor for battle." 

Miller - "The reality was, he was a disaster as an officer.  I got his record from the Freedom of Information Act.  The record gives chapter and verse on every moment of his naval career, in great, great detail."
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His reports were, "This officer is unsuitable for command right now.  He was admonished for this and that and the other.
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Consider this officer lacking in the essential qualities of judgment, leadership and cooperation.  He acts out without forethought as prob-able . . . not considered qualified for command or promotion. 
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By 1944, Hubbard's cumulative injuries that he suffered in combat,  had taken a toll.  Lame from a Nazi torpedo and partially blind from the flash of a ship's gun, he was transferred to Oak Knoll Naval Hospital at wars end.  From a report on Hubbard:  "Blinded with injuries of optic nerve, and lame with physical injuries to the hip and back . . .  my  service record states ". . . permanently disabled physically."  L. Ron Hubbard, My Philosophy, page 2. (lies)

Miller said Hubbard told him he was nearly blinded because there was some artillery fire that went off right next to his face.  He could hardly see.  None of that was true.  An officer states that Hubbard exposed his eyes to strong sunlight and had to wear tinted glasses ever since.  Another statement was, he was injured in the leg ands subsequently he obviously kept a piece of shrapnel in his pocket and he would, sort of walk out of a room and drop it, "Oh, yeah, shrapnel keeps working its way of my hip." (lie)

Leah -  He talked about curing himself.  Hubbard: "I was abandoned by my friends and family as a supposedly blind and cripple, but I came to see and walk again.  I worked my way back to fitness and strength using only what I knew about man and his relationship to the universe."  In 1948, Hubbard claimed he had healed himself from being blind and lame."  "Dianetics" hadn't been written until 1950. 

According to Newsweek, just two months after Dianetics was published, 55,000 copies were sold and 500 Dianetics clubs had been established.  In 1952, No longer getting royalties from Dianetics, L. Ron Hubbard announced the launching the teachings of Scientology and began publishing and selling Scientology books. (This was before he founded it as a church.)   

In 1982, L. Ron Hubbard's eldest son, appeared before the Clearwater City Commission to testify.  - "I can flatly swear that 99% of what my father wrote about his own life and what he has done is false."  His son said he was never blinded or wounded in the war.  

Leah - "Scientology was based on lies about Hubbard healing him-self.  He based a religion on lies that cost people a half a million dollars and their lives - - based on lies!" 

Hana - "Dianetics" when it first bloomed in the United States, was after 1950, (Dianetics wasn't started in the United States.) and then it went into decline.  People were not achieving what had been promised.  

From the American Psychiatric Association on August 1, 1950,  "Hubbard's approach is unscientific and unrealistic.  His techniques are that used of hypnotists- - fortunetellers, astrologers and cultists. 
Miller said Hubbard left a trail of chaos behind him, you know, every-thing he did turned bad in a way.  

Miller talked about a book Hubbard wrote entitled, "Scientology 8-80".
He made the comment - "I think it introduces the most audacious and extraordinary introduction of any book ever, written, and it goes like this (he reads from the book), "With this book, one can have the ability to make one's body old or young at will.  The ability to heal the ill without physical contact.  The ability to cure the insane and incapacitated, it is set forth for the physician, the layman, the mathematician and the physicist."  Miller -"Please"-  In 1954, L. Ron Hubbard turned Scientology into a church.  The dark-side of Scientology is taking people's money, -- we are talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

Miller - Hubbard had three wives, one boy and one girl with his first wife, Polly.  They were never in Scientology.  After the war, he abandoned them and moved into a mansion of Jack Parsons, who was an occultist and practitioner of black magic.  His second wife was Sara, Jack's girlfriend.  Him and Sara had one daughter.  Hubbard divorced his first wife Polly, but married Sara before he got a divorce from Polly.  His wife Sara was never mentioned again after their divorce. His third wife was Mary Sue.  She was his right-hand person for many years. With Mary sue, Hubbard had four children, two boys and two girls. He fathered 7 children, but didn't have very much to do with any of them. 

Leah says, "You might want to know what it is like to be in the Sea Org.  If you are a child, you're separated from your parents and put into a  dorm with other children.  There is virtually no supervision.  You wake up, you eat communally, um, you are to report to your superior, you might get a few minutes of an education and then the rest of the time you study Scientology.  You are put to work, like any adult Sea Org member. The day usually wraps up at 10:00 to 11:00 p.m. each night."  There was a Cadet Org, but it was officially dis-banded in 1996.  (a lie.)  The church claims that children are not currently permitted to participate in the Sea Org, which is a lie.  From witnesses and the history of Scientology, teens begin being recruited at the age of 13. 

Mike and Leah were asked by producers, "With allegations of children being abused, why hasn't law-enforcement stepped in?"
Leah, "Please, print out this answer? (chuckles)

There is no public education besides basic reading, writing and athematic for the children in Scientology. To Scientologists there is no value in an education.  The children study the books on Scien-tology written by L. Ron Hubbard. Parents send their children to Scientology boarding schools at a very young age.  They are sent there to become model Scientology children.  There they will get the help of the LRH techs and they will be with like-minded children from other Scientology families, so they won't have any outside influence.